Orc vs ... Strategies

[Elf]

In this thread You may post strategies of Orc versus every race.

[Tito]

ok guys i will start.

1st orc mirror.The most importaint in mirror maches is to UPGRADE ARMOR AND ATTACK TO YOUR UNITS.
1st fs/fl fast upgrade grunts/kodos.You must try to kill his hero ( fs) only with your wolves , its inportaint his hero to have less hp than your... After making 2 grunts you should buy fire lord from the tavern and you should attack him and try to kill his hero ( on that time he should have only one hero ) ,after killing his hero you can focus on grunts , they are easy to be killed in fact if u got 4-5 lawas . and lest say one more thing , if lawa hit a unit 15 times , it get doubled ,from one lawa u get 2 .. hf
2th fs/fl trols/spirit walkers Well you can harras his hero from the begining , and in meantime you can bulid trols in your base , after 3-4 trols bulit you can go in tr2 , after u finish tr2 you can bulid spirit lodge . than upgrade spirit's dispel , and train spirit walkers and trols , remember upgrade your trols attack and armor.
3th fs/sh grunts/raiders/spirit walkers /kodos Well you can start as you do on usuall way, start creeping with fs and get him lvl 3 , after than u should leave from tr2 upgradeing ad u can train Shadow hunter, than you can bulid beiestary , and spirit lodge , after than bulid grunt/raider/spirit walker , 1-2 kodos wont mind.
4th bm/fast upgrade mass wind raiders. well you must bulit shop before u enter in tr2 , shop should be done allmost in same time in who blade master is born . Harras him with the blade master , and in mean time bulid 4 burrows at your home , cuz if u get attacked it will be bad . After leaving tr2 , make 2 beiestarys , upgrade attack and armor to wind raiders , and ... when u attack him , you must keep your wind raiders on distance ( between your own windraiders ) cuz if he detonate one trol baitraider , he will take damage to all of them , and when they are on distance he will take damage only to one , and guess what he need 2 TB to kill one WR. You can focus his TB and u will easy win , Blade master can easly kill his heroes . and ...
5th tc/trols / master shamans / master witch doctors.... Well you can take edurance aura as first magic ... after that u can take war stomp , bulit trols and make ur tc big lvl after than when ur master shamans and doctors will be here , you can easly just attack him and beat him . Well war stomp stuns units for 4 secs , + traps ( i am not sure how much ) and in that time you wll kill all his army.

2th orc vs elf The most importaint is the wisp killing.
1st bm/sh grunts/raiders/kodos/demolishers You need to try to kill his wisps , and to creep with your grunts , even if u menage to kill 2-3 wisps , and he detonated 1-2 you are in big advantage . After your sh is born you should have blade master lvl 3 and you should move behind elf any times ... And take his creeps . When sh will take lvl 3 you can take 2x healing , and one ward . After u will make the army what i wrote it before , you can go attack him and beat him , just dont fotgot to buy scrols of protection and mass healing.
2th fs/tc grunst/raiders/spirit walkers/demolishers/kodos/ Here the most inportaint is to hide your hero from dh . you should creep with your hero and wolves on weird easy places , and you can try trick his dh with grunts , if the dh escapes from ur base you can invite your grunts to your hero , and creep together on more risky places . when tc is born you need to go with 1-2 raiders and fs and ernase his units , so he cant move , or he want to lose 2 units , you can use that time in who he is standing home and waiting to ernase past , and get ur tc lvl 3 , than attack him and win him.
3th bm/ mass windraiders.Harras him with blade master , try to kill his wisps , after than make mass windraiders , and kill his wisps all the time , if there is any posibility you can kill his gold mine while he is entering in tr3 , that will cost him very much , its easy.
4th bm/fast upgrade , than sh and mass raiders. Well This strat is used sticky to master talons. you need to harras him with blade master , and go in tr2 , than make 2 x beiestarys and bulid mass raiders , dont forgot to upgrade them attack . for sh you can take hex and wards.
5th fs/sh tr3 taurens/spirit walkers/shamans/witchdoctors. Well you know how to play with this .. bulid 2-3 towers at your base and elf has no way to enter , just u need propertly buliding. Construct ur buliding at the back , and u know what is going on when taurens with pulverise and bludlust will be born ... xD

3th orc vs hu,Pesiant killing can be costly.
1st fs/tc grunts/raides/spirit walker. This tactic is used for mass sorssers/prists/spell breakers. First you must make ur hero lvl 3 , that can be happend easly , than just attack hm only with your hero , and kill his pesiants, just watch out to not get surrounded. after than make tc lvl 3 and go attack him and he will be easly beaten.
2th fs/tc mass wind raiders.This is used agains mass mages. With fs u must harras him and kill his pesiants , if he lost 5-6 pesians from the begining the game is over , u know what to do next , tc lvl 3 and gg.
3th fs/tc gtunts/mass shamans.Can be used agains rifle/casters. You need to harras him again , and after u willl leave tr2 you need to make 2x spirit lodges , and tc lvl 3 , than upgrade shamans to cast lighting shild .... and attack him and gg.
4th bm/tc grunt/raiders/shamans.Well this can be used again mass sumon heroes , if human takes am and beast master of fire lord as 2nd hero ... With blade u can take his creeps from the begining , and in late times you can kill his heroes. Than tc lvl 3 and u know ... gg
5th fs/sh tr3 taurens/shamans/witch doctors.

4th orc vs ud THE MOST IMPORTAINT AS ANDREV SAID ... THE ACO KILL.
1st fs/tc grunts/raidesr/kodos welll you need to take fs lvl 3 and attack his accoutes while he is in upgrade buy scroll of speed and ..., you need one grunt and fs only , other 3 grunts u can leave them home , cuz its risky and u can lost them , after than make 2=3 raiders with ernase and keep undead at home , i explaned how in some other strat. Make tv lvl 3 ( 2x war stomps)and gg.
2th fs/tc mass windraiders. Well harras him , try to kill his acoutes without barack , after tr2 make 2x biestarys ... and mass windraiders heroes 3/3 lvl and attack him .
3th bm/sh grunts/raiders/kodos/ well harras him , when sh is born u need to attack him and kill some fiends. after than is easy.
4th fs/panda raiders/wind raiders. same as tc , just u need to get panda lvl 3 , 2x breath of fire and 1x drinken haze.
5th fs / mass grunts( from 2 baracks) and the old , but still fation tower rush well the topic says everything is he ?

hope i have helped you. hf ... i will do all my strats like this , just i need a little time , i got bored now

[Andrev_PL]

Firts of all. The most importans thing when u play vs ud is ACO KILL!!!
To be a good aco killer u have to get 2 lvl FS. When u have 2 fs lvl go to your shop and buy scorll od speed lasec potion of mana and healding potion. Heal your grunts and go to ud base. When u will see dead earth run speed scorll and go to kill some acos.

Another tip.
If ud cr8 dk+ghluls on the begining u have to cr8 some wywerns.
If ud cr8 dk+fiends on the begining u have to cr8 3-4 raiders and some wywerns
If ud cr8 cryp lord+fiends on the begining u have to cr8 spirot wolkers. Without raiders and wywerns!!!

I link to replay witch discrible first tactic.

Watch and learn :P



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[Bosanac]

Pls give me a strategy vs NE with demon hunter and mass hunts, they are so anoying. Man i hate them pls help im desperate Im orc player and i play with blademaster and then tauren chieftain.

[Milac]

Pls give me a strategy vs NE with demon hunter and mass hunts, they are so anoying. Man i hate them pls help im desperate Im orc player and i play with blademaster and then tauren chieftain.

u can make some windriders or few riders and catas, imo is better choice sh and serpent wards

[Bosanac]

Tnx man i appreciate that i have 18 loses and about 12 are by NE. Tnx ill try to do as u say

[Milac]

np, im glade if i helped u

[cimo]

ehmm tito?? are you sure that you can play vs orc wyvs??? its little weird and stupid, this you can play really only versus noobs, and noobs you can kill really with every strategy(like i win many times on xpam vs hum/o with pit lord 1st hero+ fast tech + panda+ mass spirit walkkers )
sure you can play the others strategies but for players is good to know how to counter the other races strategies, you should mention the game style, like harashing or creeping and so, producing the "right" units wouldnt win the game
in O mirror are just two relative good strategies like 1st. FS(harash)+fast tech+late rax(only two grunts), at tier two pick FL and then heavy push with kodo/katas/towers, this is the fastest strat, with you can kill orc with 7 minutes, but if you failed in heavy push, you probably lost the game
2nd. clasic BO, FS+grunts(creeping or harash)+SH+raiders+spirit walkers+kodo/kata, but this is pretty weak in early game vs the 1st. strat :/
3th. on LT or maelstrom is best choice picking BM(harash/creeping)+grunt+riders+SH+kodo+walkers
strategies like fast expand in mirror is kinda risky, playing wyv too, cos bats counter it well, if you play vs BM on non fountain map with tavern, just pick second naga and the push enemy base, you will kill him in few minutes , but be aware, that you need to buy dust of apearence!!!, just try to focusing BM, cos most players use ww and then run in the middle of you army, then its easy use dust and focus bm(bm is useless and you will probably win the game ) sure in all cases you have too use micro
and this is for some people who want try some experiments , i play strats like FS/BM(harash/creeping)+fast tech+2 beastery= mas kodo (this is hard to counter, cos many players dont know this, while this strat is really rare) and the second of mine is using SH (as 1st. hero and only!) with serpent wards+healing wave+grunts+spirit walkers!!!(you really need this guys ) and creeping, no need to harash, just creeping, if enemy attack you, you can pick the fight, it will end in a row or you will win, SH fast get lvl 5, cos he is only hero in your army, then buy scrolls of healing!, mana potion!, town portal!, and use dispel and spirit link!!! this strat is not so strong in early game(but you can excelent defend your base), but in late game rox = unbeatable

[Tito]

you should mention the game style

If i done that ... it will took me 3-4 hours , mby more .... btw if i have time sometimes .. I will try to fix it , i will start it right now , tnx for sugestion.

[cimo]

np peace

[Tito]

np peace

now is better ?

[Andrev_PL]

Tito. What are u thinking about peasant kill?? I try this in a few my games vs human and that was good. This is the same action like aco kill.

[Palec]

Tito. What are u thinking about peasant kill?? I try this in a few my games vs human and that was good. This is the same action like aco kill.

Try speed scroll, wave/chain kill as much as you can and tp... it's just like punch in a face for human : You will lose 540 gold (tp, scroll, mana regen), but If you will kill like 7 pesants.... it's good exchange.

[Nery]

Orc's strat relies on establishing an early game advantage. That means early harassing is a must...
I will just say some strats( not all ), most of them were already posted here, but ok.
(I cant write much more coz Tito posted them all )

vs Hu, Orc needs to kill peasents and slow down Hu's expansion. Typically stay at tier 2. Use grunts/raider combo....shaman to purge elementals/walkers to 'dispel' we/quillbeast. Speed scroll is a must.
If human goes gryphons+knights... then u need taurens/kodo+mass bats/wyverns with poison... its very hard. You cant let him get t3 units.
Heros -> FS/TC

vs Ud, grunt early and try to expand. With expansion, pump out windriders + bats to counter ud's late game destroyers/frosties ( you should train some raiders as well ).
If Ud makes Abos.. train raiders/kodos(ensnare+devour), get scrolls...
Heros -> FS/TC
Note: aco kill is very important as Andrev said.

vs Orc, grunt + raider/kodo/cata with spirit link....gg
You can also go fast tech, when you have FS+2Grunts, 'buy' Firelord and make kodos/catas and if u can/want, towerrush him.
Heros ->FS/FL
->FS/SH
->Blade/SH ( hex+ww[critical] combo )

vs NE doing talon strat, early harass/rush and slow down his tech....if he gets lots of talon and multiple expansion, you will not win.
Units -> Blade+TC+grunts+raiders+walkers+catas ( if you can towerrush him, go ahead! )

Against NE with bear/dyrads, counter with grunt/raider/kodo.
Heros -> Blade/SH

As I said there are much more strats, but I wont write them all here...

[Andrev_PL]

Nery nery nery.... Are u orc player??:O
Man. First of all. VS NE. If ne cr8 bear/dryads dont train grunt/raiders/kodo as u said. The best counter for bears and driads are KODOS+SPIRIT WALKERS!!!
Next thing. grunt+raider/kodo/cata with spirit link.... are not gg. And another thing. Dont buy Firelord. Shadow hunter are better. I always play. Fast tech>harushing with FS. Next i train 2 grunts>Shadow Hunter( saperd ward+healding wave)+mass HH and SW.