Undead vs ... Strategies

[mestar]

no way..
everything >>>>>>>> UD
especially orc and HU so stfu noobs xD

[Lazreal]

OK let me add my to cents

good strat >>> then everything
good strat <<< counter strat

[S1cKn3S]

Mass fiend worx pretty fine vs mass air.a few abos down and u got it made.

[Tito]

Sure... But can you survive before the abos come? : )

[[FaLLAngeL]]

and he mada 2-3 codo`s and gg ...

[Lazreal]

I know I'm no gosu player, but is it wrong for me to wanna end the game quickly?

I noticed most players tech to tier 3 farely fast to get powerfull army, well I don't want them to get that army
So I rush 'em and push hard with ghouls and Dreadlord

So far this tactic has shown success, with supior numbers and a bit of micro, you can easly put an end to them

I've also noticed that the PITLORD/Banshee strat against the Orcs is in the main Undead Strat page (wasn't I talking about that a long time ago?)

[pRiMe]

Everything looks great and perfect in theory,but try to use it against good player practicaly and u will maybe get disappointed.
Good players will easily counter dl+ghoul rus,it is really good strat but not always.
About pit lord and banshee,well maybe it is good strat but i never seen anyone using it.I don't think that start would work against some expirienced player.
U should try to play t3 and big fights cuz there lies the players skills,in big fights u need more concetration and micro and everything to win.Don't only rush.What if ur rush fails ?If u don't know to fight in big battles then u lost...so u should practice t3 games if u know what i mean.

[Tito]

The pit lord strat works only with expand. If you pick DL as first ( what you should, if you go fast expand ), then I prefer dk as second, what would provide you some healing if they focus DL, pl is not bad, cl neither, but with that mass army ( ghouls, fiends, banshees,necros ), its more importaint to save your heroes, then make some few damage to opponent's army with them.

[Lazreal]

I see what Both you guyz are sayin

I've been swept off an almost victory with my tactic a few times vs orcs, but i see where I could change it up a bit, but still the tactic is devastating if done just right

And Yea Dreadlord is what makes this army work without him it ain't nuthin, so I will get DeathKnight more often, but I think PitLord helps more with survival of army

I have a question, does Unholy Aura work with Vamiric Aura, you know does It drain more life when stacked?

[Flash]

these are different auras. they stack but dont do the same. vamp aure life leech, unholy aura regen. both wont drain more life. you'll benefit from both, just not the way you describe it

[Tito]

Mhm.. Unholy aura gives movement speed and regeneration, vampiric aura gives lifesteal, why it should not stuck ? -.-

[Lazreal]

I was just thinking that Unholy would boost life gain of Vampiric.

Is cannibalize considered regen, so that it would benift from unholy?

is building 2xCrypts at start the way to go for ghoul rush?
i was thinking if they scout you, it would give too much info

But I have tried a couple tier3 fights with Frenzy Ghouls, 2-3 statues with destroyer upgrade, and 1-2 abominations, and maybe 4 gargoyles, its a good army

[pRiMe]

Lol they are two different auras...they don't boost each other.
But unholy aura on lvl 1 sux with hp regen but on blight ground and with statues it is pretty good.
Umm why are u making 4 gargoyles ?What for ?With 4 gargoyle u can't do anything.Instead make fiends with web it is much better for anti air then 4 gargs Oo if u wanna make gargoyles then make whole team of them and focus air units or against elf focus dryads or any unit with 'unarmored' armor.

[Lazreal]

OK auras don't effect eachother, I wish they did that be sweet

yea I should make like 2-4 fiends with web, but they are slow plus it cost alot more resources and time and don't benifit from Vamp aura.

But I was thinking of a perfect army: DL,DK,PL,1 Destroyer, 2 statues, 2 aboms, 4 fiends, 3 necros, 3 banshee, 2 Meat wagon, and Alotta Ghouls

doesn't seem to hard to aquire, accept for casters maybe, but what yall think of that army?

[pRiMe]

Maybe i didn't understand u but when u upgrade vampiric aura and unholy aura they will both give their benefit to allied unit hp regen/movement speed and life leech.
About fiends,don't think like that...only cuz they are slow u won't build them ?Oo
U never seen replay where undead is building fiends with web against air ?They don't need to benefit from vampiric aura -_- they are range units with good dmg,web and burrow ability.
What more time they will cost ?If u think compared to ghouls yes but they are stronger then ghoul that's why they are more expensive and need more time to be trained.
It is good to make ghouls but still there is nothing against air in ur army...as i said fiends don't need any benefit from aura when u got ghouls and aboms they are anti air units.
Use brain and think like this.Mass of ghouls/aboms/necros/banshee and fiends with web,when they cast web air units will be caught in web down in mass of ur units and will be killed fast.
Fiends are always good and really important in undead army almost always,remember that.
Only if u play against good elf player then u will make ghouls with alot of gargs.
And btw fiends are not only anti air units but range units good in mass aside with lich and orb of corruption and dmg upgrade.