Undead vs ... Strategies

[XpHakunaMatata]

while hum is busy making fe on lt you can make fe with dk, no need for dl. later vs hum 3 hero and bolt+light dl dies like biatch.

Try using sleep and buy some pots ...
so ud must take dk no need for dl?DL/gargs are really imba with schrolls if he makes lvl 6 gg and u gotta buy pots and use your 1 spell u got ...

[Flash]

dl is good but dk is better. i like dl as 3rd hero, focus mk and sleep pala, +aura which makes gargs viable against gyro. with dl your army is slow, no unholy aura, no hero killers aka coil+nova, its only about strenght of army and ud army rarely win the game its ud heroes what matter the most.

[pRiMe]

It is totally true...yesterday i played ud vs hum (against sixtreme) i won only cuz of 3 big lvl heroes,he had 3x bigger army and i used hit and run and i won cuz i had little better micro then him and stronger heroes.Without dk everything is lost for ud :P

[XpHakunaMatata]

dl is good but dk is better. i like dk as 3rd hero, focus mk and sleep pala, +aura which makes gargs viable against gyro. with dl your army is slow, no unholy aura, no hero killers aka coil+nova, its only about strenght of army and ud army rarely win the game its ud heroes what matter the most.

Here rep that i just played vs some hum i played bad but i think itz good strat
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I won some hums on north with this strat it can be usefull IMO

[Scoob_is_back]

so what strat do i make vs a skilled elf ...

and dont say ghuls/gargs -.-

[mestar]

ghouls gargs xD
but its really hard vs good elf..
The key to victory is constant harassing (wisp, buildings etc).
But the most important thing is to stop his double AoL and shop build,
so its all about timing when your first gargs are coming, his aol will be at half HP and if you come there with ghouls and stop it, maybe do that twice its sure win..

another strat is this: also ghouls gargs but make 5 gargs not more and keep harassing him alot and he will probably go mass dryads, at that time you sell one crypt and build two slauther...4 wagons with cloud and 5 abos, its imba if he dont spot it too early..

[Smurf]

so what strat do i make vs a skilled elf ...

and dont say ghuls/gargs -.-

Mass creeping,fiends,abos.Focus on the abos
If he goes mass Dh/Panda/mass dryads,get some meat wagons.
If he goes mass bears,then you should possibly get 1-2 wirms.
And a good thing to keep in mind is you should delay him or even stop him from teching,or killing his ancients of lore,etc.

[pRiMe]

On @north i tried wyrms and that sux vs elf i lost...but try mass fiends with web and mass abos and mb few wagons 3 heroes and orb and scrolls.I won with this strat he couldn't do nothing vs mass aboms.

[Flash]

prime because you cant go wyrms alone, you make standard ghouls+gargs+wyrms. later when ghouls die like biatchez, leave them all in base and harras only with gargs base, shade follow army, dk kill wounded or steal expo or creep. make lone dk when he is about lvl 5 then go lich. in the meantime you make wyrms (you have shade after all). so you have gargs killing wisps, expos and harras mine or shop, you have dk creeping along with ghouls or lone dk coiling enemy thx to shade and wyrms are comming. with sux mass 10 ghouls, 12 gargs and wyrms enemy dont know what to focus first. he will most likely focus wyrms but in the meantime gargs kill all dryads. focus fire gargs with shift on all dryads, wyrms on bears, heroes and ghouls focus+coil nova enemy heroes and gg. stone form wounded gargs, scroll of healing etc, its imba.

[mestar]

flash i would really like to see that vs some good elf, his panda and DH alone can kill all your gargs in few seconds...
The only way to beat (same level) elf is to play almost perfect, first you have to stop his AOL and shop, after that try to stop protector build, when protector is up wisp harras is fucked up..so he can outcreep you alot while you are waiting for wyrm to come out, also he can outexpo you...so its really hard..
and nothing than UD has is not imba vs DH (mana imba in start, orb later) PANDA (breath) and those cheap bitches..

[Flash]

what point in this strat you doubt? its normal ghoul+gargs vs ne, you only add wyrms to it, and you want to see good reps? fov play this strat, he also use wyrms, he even used wyrms vs grubby in late game with dk, no ground units, but thats another story.

mestar you're playing fiends+destro vs ne? its sux hard, very slow game allowing ne to grow stronger and expo, little harras, few cj, its much worse then ghouls+gargs

[pRiMe]

No no no scoob asked for strat with fiends against elf and smurf said wyrms well i was going fiends and wyrms/destro and i was pwned...

[mestar]

Actually i go for ghoul/gargs vs elf also..
but i found it impossible to win if i didnt stop his aol build at start..
thats all..

[Flash]

no wonder. you need mass to make enemy micro sux. he cant focus everything manually. when you have fiends and wyrms he just focus fiends with bears and shoot wyrms with everything else and gg. with gargs and ghouls things go different. focus wymrs= gargs kill dryads, focus gargs=wyrms kill everything else and heroes+ghouls coil-nova focus panda. panda alcohol fumes+breat= gargs stone form and back to attack, 2nd breat=scroll and they are full again.

whats so hard about it? keep ghouls between dh and dk to avoid mb, creep asap with dk and 3-4 ghouls, later tech. if ne goes dr/bm with mass archers, delay your tech and mass ghouls. first thing you make on t2 is sacrifical pit, then cj when you can and >=4 gargs go harras wisps as much as you can. constant wisp harras, you dont need gargs to creep, only return them when ne is attacking your base. go late lich and fast lvl 5 dk, imba coil from afar and most units die. ne creep often focusing monsters fire on dh or panda, stay close out of fov and lvl3 dk coil for 200 dmg and kill hero. it happens often. also creature attack upg to 2 at least is a must! 12 gargs with 2-3 attack upg kill dryad with one salvo. scout for expo with gargs or shades

[mestar]

Play vs jovic plz and post replay then i will become beliver xD