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.DeitY.
10th January 2010, 06:30 PM
Ursa vs Troll..Lets hear your opinion,i would like to all vote!

I vote for URSA,troll cant harm ursa...For me blade mail + second magic of ursa eats troll,even thought troll cast miss..

Disscus about it !

Alfis
10th January 2010, 06:45 PM
Do you compare Troll and Ursa only in 1v1 or in other situations too?
I think that Troll can beat Ursa very well.
He's got his passive Bash (it gives him more slots if Ursa wants Bash), he's got constant high AS, he can Blademail too, casts Miss, and so on.
Ursa is nothing without Overpower.

Tecktonik.
10th January 2010, 06:47 PM
imo troll. he got bash , cast blind + butterfly = gg !!! blademail can really be helpfull for ursa but it dont make him invincible !

.DeitY.
10th January 2010, 06:47 PM
we talk about lvl 25 heroes,theres no need to talk about lvl 5 both heroes,ursa will kill him and dont loose max 200 hp..

Ursa got much more hp then troll,as u can see ursa is agi hero but got more str..

[-NoNick-]
10th January 2010, 06:48 PM
1v1 troll wins easy

Dark-
10th January 2010, 06:49 PM
trol ofc.

.DeitY.
10th January 2010, 06:52 PM
Blind (D)
A searing light blinds the vision of a target enemy unit, making it miss on some attacks.
Level 1 - Misses on 20% of attacks.
Level 2 - Misses on 28% of attacks.
Level 3 - Misses on 36% of attacks.
Level 4 - Misses on 44% of attacks

versus

Level 2 - 15 bonus damage per attack.
Level 3 - 20 bonus damage per attack.
Level 4 - 25 bonus damage per attack.
Orb effects do not stack
Buff placers do not stack
Buff duration: 5 seconds

BUFF DURATION 5 seconds,in 5 seconds he can hit troll surely..

But looks like i got wrong decision -.-

PS. DOnt forget

nrage (R)
When activated, greatly increases Ulfsaar's damage based on his current life.
Level 1 - 4% of Ulfsaar`s current life is dealt in damage.
Level 2 - 5% of Ulfsaar`s current life is dealt in damage.
Level 3 - 6% of Ulfsaar`s current life is dealt in damage.
Mana Cost: 0

.DeitY.
10th January 2010, 06:56 PM
Well,DO NOT LOOK ONLY LATEGAME,TRY MIDGAME FOR ABOUT LVL 6 1v1 troll vs ursa...or lvl 10...maybe in lategame he won him.

mILOSbRE
10th January 2010, 06:56 PM
How can u even compare ursa and troll lvl 25 ... Perma bush <no help from that> + miss

.DeitY.
10th January 2010, 07:00 PM
AS i said..try to challenge troll vs ursa atlvl 6...and see who will win,ursa just need to outfarm troll and he sucks..be real ..

JoLpAz
10th January 2010, 07:02 PM
ursa > TROLL

vlade
10th January 2010, 07:03 PM
Ursa>troll.

Felixar
10th January 2010, 07:06 PM
Ursa>troll.

(ps: sorry for spam in your clan forum but I must vote for my ushanator :D)

Shoocky3V
10th January 2010, 07:12 PM
yey ursa > troll gg

Alfis
10th January 2010, 07:14 PM
It's very hard to compere ANY heroes at lvles lower than 25 and without the complete build.
Every player will buy different items for Troll at lvl 6, every player will take different skill builds.
Troll>Ursa lategame full geared.
Midgame, depends.
Earlygame, probably Ursa>Troll.

Overall I'd go for Troll.

[^RawR^]
10th January 2010, 07:16 PM
You never heard of mkb?

2nooby4u
10th January 2010, 07:17 PM
<3 Ursa.

.DeitY.
10th January 2010, 07:21 PM
MKB true strike...rawr pro :)

JoLpAz
10th January 2010, 07:21 PM
i voted for troll by mistake !
ursa wins , CLOSE TRID

vlade
10th January 2010, 07:25 PM
np jole :)

[^RawR^]
10th January 2010, 07:32 PM
Ursa deals 7000-8000 damage in 12 hits, and he does that in 4-5 seconds. I'd go with ursa with blink, hex, butterfly, mkb, travels and shiva/heart if it was a specific 1v1 situation/game.

Alfis
10th January 2010, 08:34 PM
And what if Troll goes Orchid, Linken's, BKB, Bfly, MKB and Hex?

It's very hard to say which hero is better because tehre are a million possible combinations for each one, and million defferent timings for spells usage. And if we count the percentage in, it's hard to calculate the flow of the battle.

.DeitY.
10th January 2010, 08:35 PM
rawr owned all,gg...Ursa > Troll.

mILOSbRE
10th January 2010, 08:38 PM
Rawr pro bara >>>Vanguard on bara 1900hp +80 dmg ... whats more imba then that?

NOe1
10th January 2010, 08:39 PM
najlaksi nacin je da proverite sami a ne da pisete razna sranja, nadjite nekoga 1v1 i proverite 100 kombinacija itema, i doci ces do zakljucka. mislim da je ursa > troll sa hexom.

mILOSbRE
10th January 2010, 08:41 PM
Ko pise razna sranja?Svi ovde sto pisemo igramo dotu nekoliko godina i igrali smo ursu i trolla 100 puta...

Ae cuti noele :D

2nooby4u
10th January 2010, 08:52 PM
Budimo cool,budimo pro,budimo in,budimo Muerto..Pisimo sareno..

TBK.Goldy
10th January 2010, 08:54 PM
ursa with bkb and bladmail = troll gg mens

mILOSbRE
10th January 2010, 08:57 PM
Ok, lets say ursa and troll are lvl 25 and no items who win?

I think with troll's ulti + miss can be exciting fight but i dont know who would win

Alfis
10th January 2010, 09:10 PM
Troll with 6 Divines = one hit Ursa xD

*This is supposed to be a joke, don't flame pls! xD*

2nooby4u
10th January 2010, 09:17 PM
Troll with 6 Divines = one hit Ursa xD

*This is supposed to be a joke, don't flame pls! xD*

Win! :D

ReXxY
10th January 2010, 09:26 PM
troll is the best if he gets max feed . if u make the same items to both heroes and both lvl 25 ... troll wins the battle so ursa no chance vs troll , its just my opinion !

mILOSbRE
10th January 2010, 09:38 PM
If..if ... if ... if ... if ... if i have 20 000 starting gold i would make heart dagger divine and butter and rush you at base before u pick heros.

ArtecK
10th January 2010, 09:40 PM
Ursa win ofc.

bladege1
10th January 2010, 09:43 PM
Just face it Troll>Ursa lategame
but still if ursa outfarm troll Ursa>Troll it depends of game
Ill still go for troll...FTW TROLL

Mladenus
10th January 2010, 09:50 PM
Let me tell you this:

I can't believe 10 tardz (for now) voted for Troll.

Ursa > Troll (both 1v1 and 5v5)

Reasons why: Ursa will kill the shit out of Troll in 1v1, because of starting money. Ursa need only Kelen and Treads/Phase. Starting from lvl 6, he will kill the shit out of Troll and Troll won't be able to get to late game.

Ursa > Troll in 5v5 game because Ursa is useful in early/mid/late game. And Troll is only useful in late game (IF get fed or overfarmed).

Basically, that would be it.

Alfis
10th January 2010, 10:24 PM
Second, I can't believe 10 tardz (for now) voted for Troll.

Retard for having my own opinion?

.DeitY.
10th January 2010, 10:47 PM
Sta znaci j/k nabu miki :D

mladenus nab <3

[^RawR^]
10th January 2010, 11:08 PM
Blink hex kill, bkb won't help you

Intruder.CZ
10th January 2010, 11:50 PM
well many ppl call troll "noob hero" and in fact he is...he can own only non-stun non-disable heroes....and show me game without at least one stunner and one here that can carry hex (i mean non pub games ofc). Stun (2s) + hex (3.5s) and troll is death and can do nothing else ursa jump in with dagger go double overpower and believe me u will not do a sh*t. If nothing more he will kill at least one int e.g. thats about whatever bigger then 1v1
and now about 1v1..if u start with same money as in 5v5 (600gold for AP) then troll will out-farm ursa..but mostly u will play pure 1v1 so 4k Gold then troll instant death for sure...so counted Ursa>>>Troll by 1000% percent

Mladenus
11th January 2010, 12:18 PM
Retard for having my own opinion?

I apologize, but it's really obvious... At least for me.

Pure example of usefulness is constant banning/picking Ursa in -CM mode. I've never seen someone banning Troll. :)

2nooby4u
11th January 2010, 12:21 PM
I've never seen someone banning Troll.
True..

DarK_WatcheR
11th January 2010, 12:22 PM
If im troll

Troll>ursa

If Mladja ursa

Ursa>troll
:P
Ok it stands that ursa is much more powerful having the same money,lvl as troll. But what about lvl25, full inventoru? Even ursa cant escape the trolls permabash :P.

Mladenus
11th January 2010, 12:31 PM
If im troll

Troll>ursa

If Mladja ursa

Ursa>troll
:P
Ok it stands that ursa is much more powerful having the same money,lvl as troll. But what about lvl25, full inventoru? Even ursa cant escape the trolls permabash :P.

Ye, but who's stupid enough to allow Troll to gain those items?

Gyggs123
11th January 2010, 12:37 PM
ursa is 0 for trol..az for that blademail -satanic will do the job ....still a verry important aspect is the ppl who play with them ..now that counts a lot !!!

[-NoNick-]
11th January 2010, 01:31 PM
ursa: hex, butterfly, mkb, travels and shiva/heart
troll: pt, bkb(you can put linkens instead of this), diffu(remove buffs),bfly,vlad and mkb
troll wins

Alfis
11th January 2010, 02:11 PM
I apologize

Accepted ^^


Now we saw a replay in which Troll>Ursa.
Anyone has any other replays?

[^RawR^]
11th January 2010, 02:19 PM
Blink hex, replay proves nothing

Tecktonik.
11th January 2010, 02:20 PM
Imo Ursa Got Better Items and Troll Still owns ! Thnx For The Video

.DeitY.
11th January 2010, 02:27 PM
;1057298']ursa: hex, butterfly, mkb, travels and shiva/heart
troll: pt, bkb(you can put linkens instead of this), diffu(remove buffs),bfly,vlad and mkb
troll wins



lol man,he eated u in 2 hits with 3 divine reappers..

Otherwise,people arent stupid man,if u use bkb i go run until u dont have it,then i go hex and eat u as we saw in the replay..clear that ursa > troll

he got about +1000 while in 3 divine reappers,he needs 3 hits to kill u,if u dont stun him in 1 second.u fail.

Mladenus
11th January 2010, 02:41 PM
When will you realize? Ursa need 2 or 3 basic items to own. Troll needs a lot more + high level. -_-

-Your-Friend-
11th January 2010, 05:46 PM
I vote for Troll...I can only play with him and always own...

mILOSbRE
11th January 2010, 05:54 PM
U can only own in trapem with troll

Mladenus
11th January 2010, 06:15 PM
trapemgodlike, Muerto... -_-

[-NoNick-]
11th January 2010, 07:45 PM
;1057326']lol man,he eated u in 2 hits with 3 divine reappers..

Otherwise,people arent stupid man,if u use bkb i go run until u dont have it,then i go hex and eat u as we saw in the replay..clear that ursa > troll

he got about +1000 while in 3 divine reappers,he needs 3 hits to kill u,if u dont stun him in 1 second.u fail.

question was 1v1 troll vs ursa, if ursa run in one way when troll use bkb(If ursa have no blademail, replace bkbk with linkens), troll win run in other way, but if they fight troll will win because of permabash.
If question was which hero is more useful and which one can kill opponent faster the answer is obvious -> ursa.

[^RawR^]
11th January 2010, 08:05 PM
Those 1v1 fights cannot prove anything, for example lancer is better carry in 5v5 than troll with radiance/diff because he rapes teams with his lance and he's hard to kill. Now if u went 1v1 lancer vs troll, lancer approaching troll like that ursa will get stunned in first second, have 0 images generated and just die from bash.

[-NoNick-]
11th January 2010, 11:30 PM
Actually illusion heroes like naga,ck and lancer beat troll like np

[^RawR^]
11th January 2010, 11:37 PM
Y but if u walk up with real lancer to troll and start hitting him u will get bashed and killed in 3 sec without generating a single image, while lancer is a better carry.

vlade
11th January 2010, 11:41 PM
Actually illusion heroes like naga,ck and lancer beat troll like np

i agree with you.

Mladenus
12th January 2010, 12:27 AM
Illusion heroes are the best carries in DotA. Nessaj, Naga, Lancer - Elite and always > Troll.

vlade
12th January 2010, 12:54 AM
Well, ursa can rape nessaj coz, agi carry> str carry

BloodMen
12th January 2010, 12:58 AM
troll ofc.

vlade
12th January 2010, 01:02 AM
Troll has more votes than Ursa.Hmm interesting

Fika[F]
12th January 2010, 01:14 AM
well retards, ofc if lvl 25 full inventory troll wins 1v1, he got permabash and u can't beat that -.-

and ofc ursa > troll in game from lvl 1

duno whats confusing here...

Majestic.
12th January 2010, 01:49 AM
Vlade vala ga preterujes...

Alfis
12th January 2010, 12:41 PM
I played a game recently, I was playing Ursa, my opponents had Troll. It was 5v5, tho.
Lvl 6 Roshan, overfed, Lothar... 17/0/7 was at the end. But they managed to kill me once (I was carrying Aegis). Troll killed me with his permabash.
I was 3 levels higher than him, and he still managed to beat me. I did a few good hits to him, took more than 3/4 HP away, and then it happened, stun xD
Luckily, my teammates saved me after I ressed.

So in a normal game, it still is possible for Troll to beat Ursa, but Ursa has a HUGE edge there.

Mladenus
12th January 2010, 01:44 PM
Well, ursa can rape nessaj coz, agi carry> str carry

You're joking? Nessaj is far more better carry than Ursa (in late game). Better than Troll, too.

Nemoj toliko da spammujes, Vlade... Preterujes.


I played a game recently, I was playing Ursa, my opponents had Troll. It was 5v5, tho.
Lvl 6 Roshan, overfed, Lothar... 17/0/7 was at the end. But they managed to kill me once (I was carrying Aegis). Troll killed me with his permabash.
I was 3 levels higher than him, and he still managed to beat me. I did a few good hits to him, took more than 3/4 HP away, and then it happened, stun xD
Luckily, my teammates saved me after I ressed.

So in a normal game, it still is possible for Troll to beat Ursa, but Ursa has a HUGE edge there.

If opponents allow Troll to feed, it's different story... But Ursa will own from the start, no matter what, he'll be fed.

vlade
12th January 2010, 01:46 PM
Pa ne spamujem, samo kazem da ja tako mislim. Ursa>Nessaj

Mladenus
12th January 2010, 01:56 PM
Ma mislio sam na ona protekla 2 posta, koja sam izbrisao, jer su offtopic.

Btw, Ursa jeste korisniji od Nessaja, ali nije jaci u late.

vlade
12th January 2010, 02:10 PM
ali nije jaci u late.

hm ja ne mislim tako, aj da vidimo sta ostali misle : )

PatamonNaiM
12th January 2010, 02:14 PM
hard to get it..both are soo imba..troll can make for criticals but ursa can have ms in attacking and healing..hmmm... :S

Shoocky3V
12th January 2010, 02:23 PM
i think everyone has movespeed while attacking :o
and btw ursa has no heal he can just lifesteal x)

[YuMa]EMPEROR
12th January 2010, 02:32 PM
hm ja ne mislim tako, aj da vidimo sta ostali misle : )

iluzije sa istim dmgom kao heroj ownaju bilo kog heroja pogotovo kad imaju crit preko 1k sa 2 itema

vlade
12th January 2010, 03:04 PM
I played 1v1 vs Emp, Ursa vs Nessaj, lvl 25 1000000 gold, and seems like nessaj>ursa.

PS:I was wrong.

Majestic.
12th January 2010, 03:07 PM
Post replay nub?

vlade
12th January 2010, 03:09 PM
Ask emperor..

[YuMa]EMPEROR
12th January 2010, 03:20 PM
bla bla

Mladenus
12th January 2010, 03:56 PM
Did you really think Ursa can own Nessaj? :blink: Vlade, you disappointed me...

Nessaj is the strongest hero in DotA (with full items and lvl 25).

vlade
12th January 2010, 04:22 PM
mladen, i wanna try 1v1 but from lvl 1...

.DeitY.
12th January 2010, 04:27 PM
Nessaj > Ursa ofc...those freaking ulti of nessaj eats all -.-

Mladenus
12th January 2010, 04:53 PM
mladen, i wanna try 1v1 but from lvl 1...

I guess it's different then. But we can play sometimes, I think I can win almost any hero 1v1 with Nessaj. At least I'll try.

vlade
12th January 2010, 04:54 PM
hm, let's see :) whisp me on bnet when can u play and we'll try xD

.DeitY.
12th January 2010, 04:59 PM
Ok,i close this,i state after these results,troll is better then ursa,but still will be discussed,because theres not only lategame,mid game exsist...

AND....:tclosed: