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11th October 2006, 07:04 PM
The Complete Orb Effect Priority Table

Read the following text for your own benefit!

The two golden rules:
1: Orb effects will never stack.
2: You may only place one buff per attack.

And as an information sticker:

You will only get the effect that is listed in the box. If you get both, it says both. If there's some strange mechanics to it, it's listed in the legend.
Eye of Skadi will be a melee eye of skadi if the unit that picks it up is currently in melee form. It will be ranged if the unit that picks it up currently has a ranged attack.
Switching forms may or may not affect the form of the Eye of Skadi, it depends on the ability that changes your range
Ursa Warrior is as of 6.44 a melee unit. Doombringer is a melee unit. As of 6.28, Banehallow remains as a melee unit in his ultimate form.
Strength Morphling is no longer in the game.


Now, to the charts:

http://dota.mikaelsunde.se/itemorbeffects.png
Maim: "Sange", "Sange and Yasha"
Lifesteal: "Mask of Death", "Mask of Madness", "Helm of the Dominator", "Satanic"
Feedback: "Diffusal Blade", "Manta Style"
Chain Lightning: "Maelstrom", "Mjollnir"
Corruption: "Stygian Desolator"
Cold Attack: Melee: "Eye of Skadi melee"
Cold Attack: Ranged: "Eye of Skadi ranged"

http://dota.mikaelsunde.se/heroorbeffects.png

A quick explanation on how to read an excel chart:

http://dota.mikaelsunde.se/howtoexceltable.png

As seen in the ranged part, an Eye of Skadi and a Stygian Desolator would give you the Corruption orb effect, regardless of any other circumstances.
However, on melee heroes, it says "Place".
Looking in the legend, it tells you that "Place" means that the item in the highest priority slot will take effect, as well as the inventory priority order.
I realize that my previous explanation may have been a bit ambiguous, so heres an image of the priority order:
http://dota.mikaelsunde.se/inventorypriority.jpg

All credits to Malle from official dota allstars forums.

Xfire
11th October 2006, 07:26 PM
nice... again - at least a guy that knows he didn't create this and it's honest :p.

avatarCRO
17th October 2006, 02:13 PM
hey dude i actually read all this :D

H3ndriX-pt
17th October 2006, 03:59 PM
place the name of autors pls :P

Artificial
17th October 2006, 04:45 PM
hey dude i actually read all this :D
you will remember only 1% ;)

print it, and take it with you in your pocket ;)

Xfire
17th October 2006, 07:13 PM
i saved the pics in my PC :D

sytrus
23rd October 2006, 03:04 AM
:clap:

diebreath
9th November 2006, 03:50 PM
i wonder about some items
1st if i make satanic to lifestealer is it upgrading his life steal rate?
2nd if i make critic to morthred is she hittin more critic then normal or on when hittin with change of bruzai his hit is reduced?
3rd if i make butterfly so broodmother his miss chance upgrading?

some items and some heros ability is same which i want to ask items increasing their ability or reducing when heros ability powerful?

and if make an item for example dual buttterfly or dual basher stun chance double or miss chance double?

if its goin double then make 6 butterfly to a hero than invulnerable :)

(sorry for my bad english)

straider
9th November 2006, 04:35 PM
ok in general let me tell u that it's not always the best way to maximalize the advatages of a hero but to compense all his disadvateges, shure, sometimes its the best way to own, but sometimes not and to your q ..
1. Naix'es lifesteal isn't an orb so yes satanic works on him
2. Crit on mortred is (and it is statistican proved) a "stupid" item coz there cant be smthing like duble crit and if it ocures then will the smaler crit overwrite the ultymate on, in praxis means that if u got mortred and crit, u are leaving your ultymate useless
3.Tell me i am a noob but i don't remember any of brodmother's skill witsch gives u a chance to evade

and finaly no buter's do not stack(am not 100% shure about this, just 99%)
with bashers it's a bit diferent, statisticaly every basher gives u a smaler chance to bash, can't remember the percentage but it's like 16% first basher +12% gives u a second basher ... and the third gives u like 8% ( The numbers are just for explayning, i know the chances and numbers are diferent)
its caused because the chances share they base and it can as the crit on mortred that bash ocures at the same time tvo times ...

your english isn't so bad, my is wors ;)

OMGBergrush
9th November 2006, 06:37 PM
i wonder about some items
1st if i make satanic to lifestealer is it upgrading his life steal rate?
2nd if i make critic to morthred is she hittin more critic then normal or on when hittin with change of bruzai his hit is reduced?
3rd if i make butterfly so broodmother his miss chance upgrading?

some items and some heros ability is same which i want to ask items increasing their ability or reducing when heros ability powerful?

and if make an item for example dual buttterfly or dual basher stun chance double or miss chance double?

if its goin double then make 6 butterfly to a hero than invulnerable :)

(sorry for my bad english)

1st: yes. also feat stacks with vladimir and leorics vampiric for a total 99%
2nd: you have 2 separate criticals however if they both trigger you will see a big number but the damage will only be that of a lesser critical. Better to make mkb.
3rd: since broodmother orb gives the enemy a chance to miss it does stack with your evasion granted by butterfly it is not 50%[25%+25%] but it first checks your miss[25%] so if there is a hit[75% chance] then it checks if the enemy misses so its 25% of the remaining 75%. That makes a 62.5% you`ll get hit or 37.5% chance the opponent will miss

ddaniel
12th November 2006, 05:32 PM
i almost broke my head after reading it all :D though its interesting :D

Kentuthi
19th November 2006, 08:55 PM
did u erase the credit section:
"Created and compiled by Malle @ "

it's plagiatism

Link removed by moderator.

ok i didnt see the





Disclaimer

This is not my work so I can not take credit for it.I am posting this in the purpose it was created, as to inform people.
The images belong to dota-allstars forum

-Riki-
20th November 2006, 08:17 AM
The Vladimir's Offering, count as "Lifesteal" or just a passive aura that can stack with other orbs?! (for melee heroes)

RockNation
20th November 2006, 08:20 AM
The Vladimir's Offering, count as "Lifesteal" or just a passive aura that can stack with other orbs?! (for melee heroes)

Read again the info about that item.From that item only Mask of Death has orb effects but they dissapear after you've created Vladimirs. Vladimirs Offering does not have orb effects. The lifesteal is an aura for the allies and for your self. You can create other orb on you cuz they won't enterfier with each other. And the item is for melle only heroes.

SzRaPnEL
18th December 2006, 05:00 PM
Althought its and aura (lifesteal for meele) it doesnt work with some heroes.
Example --> Ursa

OMGBergrush
18th December 2006, 09:27 PM
Althought its and aura (lifesteal for meele) it doesnt work with some heroes.
Example --> Ursa

discussed about as many times as which is the best hero thread.
ursa is ranged hero. [so dont make bfury, vladimir or basher]

Artificial
19th December 2006, 07:38 PM
Althought its and aura (lifesteal for meele) it doesnt work with some heroes.
Example --> Ursa

Give another example and I will give you 100000$ :)

vuk the wolf
24th December 2006, 01:40 PM
any1 who says ezalor is shit can go n kill himself, n i know a lot of those ppl. i've just finished a game, n i was beyond godlike with ezalor. my items were satanic n eye of scadi(which stack), guinso, HOT, aegis n power treads

iZi
9th January 2007, 02:40 PM
man i have one question
sangue bugs with satanic ????
some people said that bug
others said that dont...
¬¬'

[ww]DaRkSoUL
10th January 2007, 08:49 AM
Dudes...so...on older version..i could make on druid maelstrom and lifesteal items(helm or mask of md) and it was working...now...they don't....and that orb effect chart..i didn't understant it...4 example...if i make sange on broodmother...will she maim?? or if i make mask or helm...will she loose her incapacity bite???(same in maim case)

-Kyuubi-
10th January 2007, 03:51 PM
wtf is maim ?? and place

Artificial
10th January 2007, 07:21 PM
Maim is the effect from Sange and Yasha.

[ww]DaRkSoUL
12th January 2007, 12:28 PM
Dude....i know that maim if sange's effect...but whitch its working....maim...or incapacity bite?

Artificial
12th January 2007, 03:19 PM
Dude I was explaining to the poster above me >_<
Anyway if you are so interested in that why don't you try it and see it for yourself?

Adone
12th January 2007, 06:56 PM
Incipatating bite works in 90%,maim 10%,which means you you won't bite when you maim someone.Ever though S&J on Brood is utter stupidity.

[KoC-Doty]
14th January 2007, 07:30 PM
just testing if i can post

hibiki-hikaru
16th January 2007, 03:59 PM
wow.....about this orb effect i rarely pay attention........
after see the chart......i so blur......
if i play moonrider......what should i buy?n oso troll......

-Riki-
9th March 2007, 02:42 PM
The part of the double orbs was wondering me... Afther tryed it that's pretty cool. Good work!

dumbass_3
9th April 2007, 10:22 PM
1 question: does vladimir stack with broodmothers ulti?

OMGBergrush
9th April 2007, 11:36 PM
1 question: does vladimir stack with broodmothers ulti?

yes

-Riki-
11th April 2007, 09:20 PM
1 question: does vladimir stack with broodmothers ulti?

yea because Vladimir Offering isn't a orb effect,
it will stuck with any other life steal skills, even a brand Mask of Death.:read:

topaz85
24th June 2007, 04:16 PM
first of all : vladimir works only for melee heroes
secondly : its an aura so u can buy for example mortred a desolator + vladimir and get corruption + life stealing on hit (which is so f^%$ing imba when u add her cosmic criticals >;) ).
Or skadi with vladimir, it dont matter as long u have only one orb + vladimir's offer on melee.
Range fighting heroes dont benefit from it, maybe as support item for team then yes but then again its one slot less in the inventory
oh and almost forgot 2400 gold spended on something practicly useless for its range carrier (bcs that 90% or so mana regen + some ammount of devotion aura armor for every one kinda sux alone without lifestealing for that kind of cash)

W3TFTD1E
26th June 2007, 09:42 AM
Desolator and cranium basher pwns, easy to make and adds lots of damage. Basher for melle desolator for ranged. All other items go a lot later...

Rocksteady
17th July 2007, 09:04 AM
Only i'm not seeing it or that chart with the hero's orb effects has been taken down?

Artificial
17th July 2007, 07:30 PM
it's still there..

[RG]drkfullmoon
22nd July 2007, 02:22 PM
sry to brake this party but these orbs are wrong... u can just see them in the game... ex: eye of skady(orb,passive) it means it's orb for melee and passive for ranged :D

n00bzor
22nd July 2007, 11:00 PM
its works with ursa now...

bcos he used to be range and get drows trueshot aura

Ogi.
31st July 2007, 01:04 PM
drkfullmoon;588902']sry to brake this party but these orbs are wrong... u can just see them in the game... ex: eye of skady(orb,passive) it means it's orb for melee and passive for ranged :D
of course,range skadi is not orb , lol..

waycell
5th August 2007, 03:41 PM
this table is very complicaed but good for users

Artificial
20th September 2007, 03:46 PM
UPDATED

Scroll back to the first post.

[cp6]placeni_ub
21st September 2007, 11:05 PM
thx

SunCow
22nd September 2007, 11:54 AM
yAY!

Rocksteady
22nd September 2007, 01:16 PM
I think the most imba combination is on a ranged unit skady + mjorlin. U dont slow on the hit when u cast lightning but before and after u do.

[SyS]-SlayeR
27th September 2007, 07:26 PM
these pics are old :P but very usefull!saved on my pc

pec
29th September 2007, 10:36 PM
This tables helped me a lot in game:thumbUP:
i printed them all:read:

sfsy1
21st January 2008, 12:41 PM
i think it will be good to make a list of effects which works on illusions and auras that stacks/do not stack. :):)

Trubka
5th March 2008, 08:17 PM
Good work with this list of orb effects ...

Uberpr0
5th March 2008, 10:03 PM
Good work with this list of orb effects ...

woot necromancer

complexxL9
29th March 2008, 03:24 PM
discussed about as many times as which is the best hero thread.
ursa is ranged hero. [so dont make bfury, vladimir or basher]

ursa is melee hero. It was changed recently.

LifeDrainer[RO]
29th March 2008, 03:30 PM
ursa is melee hero. It was changed recently.

Berg posted that 1 year and a half ago.......:shh:

[RO]Claudiu
15th July 2008, 03:40 AM
Althought its and aura (lifesteal for meele) it doesnt work with some heroes.
Example --> Ursa

........ is that so . i got tons of replays of ursa killing roshan at level 7 with only vladimir .

edit : btw nice guide to the orb effects :) there is little i learned from it since i knew almost all of it from experience .

SameAsEver
17th July 2008, 07:12 PM
CLAUDIU;807630']........ is that so . i got tons of replays of ursa killing roshan at level 7 with only vladimir .

edit : btw nice guide to the orb effects :) there is little i learned from it since i knew almost all of it from experience .

The man is right, in earlier versions, vladimir did not work on ursa, but now it works normally. Maybe it was a bug, maybe it wasn't supposed to work on ursa, i don't know. The idea is that it now works on this hero too.

VamoS_GringO
17th July 2008, 08:38 PM
omg ursa sve usra :).ursa was a range hero back then...now he´s melee and it works.period.

[BDR]Lokvanj
30th July 2008, 07:07 PM
ursa was range because they couldnt make his orb effect to work properly , but he had some really low range like 100 so u couldnt notice that much,still u couldnt use some orbs :)

Tkc]Fear
31st July 2008, 10:27 PM
Lokvanj;816885']ursa was range because they couldnt make his orb effect to work properly , but he had some really low range like 100 so u couldnt notice that much,still u couldnt use some orbs :)

100 is melee range :smile3:

OrcLeader
1st August 2008, 02:11 AM
I cant remember all of this in my head :D

xXxDEMONxXx
2nd August 2008, 10:23 AM
I don't think so

Intruder.CZ
3rd August 2008, 07:33 PM
y thats a nice guide, GJ

Intruder.CZ
3rd August 2008, 07:36 PM
hmm but in this section i miss one think. If i make critic with Luna and triger i do dmg to main target or to all bounce attacks? sry for my eng xD

VamoS_GringO
4th August 2008, 08:00 AM
Only the main/first target.

jedimindaugas
15th June 2009, 08:58 PM
1 thing is a miss,dunno maybe due versions..
When I had TerrorBlade I bought skadi and S&y. Skadi was meelee and I had skadi effect. Same is when I used metamorphosis to become range hero-I had only skadi effect..but when i had ranged skadi and was meelee hero I had maim only
Looks like meelee skadi has the highest priority(or ha increadibly strange bad luck with maim)

^FEAR
16th June 2009, 12:54 AM
Don't really understand what you tryin' to say but if I got it correctly you need to swap item positions in inventory.

VamoS_GringO
16th June 2009, 01:26 AM
When you're melee and have both skadi and s&y the item in the higher inventory slot (slot 1>slot 2>slot 3 etc) will be the active one.
If you're in melee form but got ranged skadi (in meta form throw it out and pick it up) only s&y will work.
When you're in ranged form and have ranged skadi then both will work,just not at the same time.You'll freeze with skadi except the attack when maim triggers which is 85% of the time and even then both slows will be active since skadis slow last around 3 sec in ranged form (4 sec for melee).

jedimindaugas
16th June 2009, 09:16 AM
oh :ohmy: ok sorry than. Thanks for explaining

BorisPeace
13th July 2010, 12:22 AM
Ranged Skadi's slow lasts for 2 seconds, not 3.

mankind
14th July 2010, 09:20 PM
1slot>2slot ... is active one ... Thats new for me :D from today alwys 2 melle orbs with swapping them! :D

.DeitY.
22nd July 2010, 05:53 PM
nice guide..